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The government. i'm not sure that constitutes victory, but in this day and age, it's something that the government agreed to and got done. the question is does anything change. president obama seemed to be very forceful today to say this has to change. look, the election is the election. you don't like my policies, but that's fine. you can't go outside the bounds of regular order to disagree with me. i'm not convinced with me that that convinces some of the people who led this shutdown effort, including ted cruz. i'm not sure that that logic is convincing to them, so i wonder whether we're goi...

And their demand. plan from the beginning. buzz the government should be shut down. no funding of the federal government. unless president obama agreed to repeal health reform. "the new york times" reported this, this weekend. how more than three dozen conservative groups joined forces on the shutdown strategy at the very start of the second term. although that initial meeting was convened by ed meese, what the time pieces together is many of the people involved and much of the money in the shutdown effort goes back to these guys, charles and david koch. activist brothers billionaires because ...

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