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The experts at the department of homeland security the resources they need and they tell us they need us to head technology and personnel. we do find them in a way so that we aren't building some medieval wall but using them in a smart fashion. it's up to the president to accept this. for the good of this country i hope he does. border security is critical to this country but hope it doesn't come to a shutdown. >> i think that is what the american people expect of the people that they elect. keep the government open. and if there's any sort of a shutdown it would only be a partial shutdown. th...

There is a brand new poll out just yesterday that says almost 70% of americans regardless of party do not see a border wall as a priority right now. >> well, i think there is a couple of things to unpack there. every time republicans in congress have owned a shutdown it's come back to bite them. they've had to go crawling back to the democrats and sort of what they were demanding in the first place. it will be interesting to see if the president as a republican president owning the shutdown if one occurs can come out on the right side of this. he seems to think that he can. conventional wisdom...

And they know if there is a shutdown it will be bad and unpopular. it will end. and then the new cycle will go on and people will forget about it and i think the long-term damage they think may not be that -- >> you can also forget that daca is an 80-20 issue in america. democrat should feel some confidence they could make the case and the winners are ones that bring message discipline that really make their case. and that is something that trump doesn't have. >> meanwhile, whatever they agree to here, they still have to figure out how to do daca. and i'm starting to wonder how there is ever g...

>> so there's two things president trump sort of likes to pretend that he doesn't understand. one is that his party controls both houses of congress. and when that's the case, they can avoid a shutdown on their own without any help from democrats. so this idea that if there were to be a shutdown it would be on democrats, it simply doesn't hold water. the other idea is that the president has this core support, among 35%, maybe 40% of the public. he sometimes acts as if democrats don't have their own core supporters, their own base, their own constituencies that want different things. so you kno...

Security is incredible and absurd. >> let's bring in now friend of the show, john stanton from buzzfeed, and john this is the first test for the gop congress and here we are once again at the 11th hour getting way too close for a shutdown it. makes you wonder if we are getting -- and funding homeland security at a time like this is that too much to ask for? >> unfortunately, it is. if you look at what is going on in the house right now, they are not going -- in a mood to pass this bill. at least if they do it as a republican-only kind of operation, they can't pull this off. speaker boehner wil...