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The glitchy healthcare.gov website prevented millions from signing up and logging on on the federal exchanges and the site has been sending confusing information to companies about insurer who is did manage to get enrolled. the default didn't happen so, plenty of room on the front page for everyone to see obama care's struggles. i want to come back. it does feel like this is the winning and losing piece. on the one hand, obama care is winning at that moment, but will now the tea party have another chance to win and forget about this whole shutdown situation that happened. >> you know, it's a g...

Of the austerity measures. >> there are a couple things to consider here. one, people think about the national economy and think about their personal economies. >> a bad way to think about it. >> and so because of that, it's difficult to try to explain to people that debt is good. i think also people misunderstand the sources of our debt and think china owns everything. no, it's our savings bonds. when i buy those for my nieces for their birthdays or birth, i'm contributing to that debt and i expect the return on that later and they'll get that 27 years from now. i think if people really under...

The popular notion that spending has increased a lot under the obama administration could not be more historically wrong. compare this recovery to every other recovery since world war ii and government spending is far, far beneath any other recovery. to put it really crassly, if we spent like reagan did during his economic recovery, we'd have about 5 million, 6 million jobs in the economy today more, we'd be fully recovered if we spent at the normal historic average. >> and as the average of the sort of conservative standard there, part of where i want to come to you, because on the question o...

Reform. i think it will do a lot of good. in the meantime, in the past three years there's been a huge slowdown in projected health care cost growths, which future deficits look much better than years ago so it's hilarious this is the one reform, the people who claim they're obsessed about debt wanted to kick it away. >> let me ask you about this because we have talked several times on this show sort of about the administration fumbling on the public discourse about obama care. on the one hand, you do need to make the individual argument about how this is good for your family. but why not a st...

Active duarte, in terms of a shutdown question, virginia is unlike other states. there is so much government there. the other factor, in 2014, you mentioned the tightness of counties, the other things that democrats should be remembering is who comes out in a mid-term? it's a base election. there is nothing that's good about a 28% approval rating for republicans, surely, but if it were 2016 and they were looking at that, it would be an absolute disaster and it may spell disaster for 2016 if they can't get it together on immigration the shutdown will be forgotten i guess. they're insulated by t...