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How does this end? there this is a different shutdown scenario than we've seen. democrats are doing something very intriguing we haven't seen particularly during two years of donald trump's administration. they're ignoring the president. and it's working. the numbers confirm that the american people are suggesting donald trump is responsible for this. democrats are being very disciplined. now, they also are leaning in and passing responsible legislation. i think tomorrow they're going to pass more legislation, push it over to mcconnell to keep the government open, but they're not responding to...

He can turn on a dime. syria is an example. i think he can say we're going to keep fighting for the wall and in the meantime, one out would be to allow the six bills that have been passed by republicans and democrats that fund most of the government, agriculture, treasury, the fbi, allow them to go through, sign them, hold out dhs which includes the wall. gives you another 30 days or whatever number to fight about this. but it gets us out of the majority of this -- of this shutdown scenario which is now, you know, injuring a lot of people across the country. and we always talk about the 800,00...

Fund most of the government, agriculture, treasury, the fbi, allow them to go through, sign them, hold out dhs which includes the wall. gives you another 30 days or whatever number to fight about this. but it gets us out of the majority of this -- of this shutdown scenario which is now, you know, injuring a lot of people across the country. and we always talk about the 800,000 federal workers. there are tens, probably hundreds of thousands of contractors who service those workers, who serve those agencies who probably will never recover from this. will never get their money back. so i think th...

Of what nancy pelosi is going to be fighting. in many ways, i think she's dealing right now with a baby who is screaming his head off and will keep screaming until he exhausts and falls asleep, and then they'll come to something. >> which is interesting, because there's been more intransigence from the president than there has been from mitch mcconnell. it seems like he's backed off a little bit, because i think he understands exactly what susan is saying, that you know what, at some point, democrats have the leverage, let us try to get through something so we don't take the blame for it when ...

Good thing you need 60 votes in the senate to spend major spending legislation even if it means the democrats can hold up the president's plans for the wall? >> sure, the purpose of that is to prevent a tire -- tyranny of the majority. if there is a democratic president, house and senate. they can get anything done they want. no check on their power. so the reality is trump is not going to get funding for the wall without democratic buy-n. it's the problem with the whole shutdown scenario. we're not fighting for funding for a border wall but in is a down payment. it will cost $25 billion. no m...