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This is a big proposal. some of it probably is not crazy. a lot of it is crazy. hard to generalize about it but let's just take a couple issues because i think they're interesting. one is decriminalizing.ho so how can we be against human trafficking, which is really another word or abetting, and yet decriminalize. the idea that women are because they want to be, because they think it's like a great deal for women? what is the idea? >> you don't necessarily believe that. some people do think that i think is reasonable disagreement about the extent to which anybody is really free when they're se...

Clerk. thanks for coming on. this is a big proposal. some of is it crazy and a lot is crazy. let's take a couple of issues. one is decrimalizing prostitution. how can we be against human trafficking and yet decr decrimminalize prostitutes. are women prostitutes because they want to be? >> you don't have to believe that. some people think that. -- that's a side issue. what you can ask. is the best way to do something about human trafficking crimminalize the people who are being trafficed. we don't want to make your life worse.

Getting hernia surgery. a statement came out in his name and two other republican senators essentially making the argument chuck grassley says today don't listen to. this is asking if you changed the rules. senator grassley must have come out of surgery and decided to correct his staff here. >> all of these are side issues. does the whistleblower have the right to make the complaint? of course the whistleblower has the right to make the complaint. >> a side issue, but a prominent senator saying back off. listen to this person and respect this person. >> it's grassley saying, hey, cool it. this...

Appropriate or not but i think that is a side issue. we've got the complaint now. we've got the transcript now. similarly, with respect to the issue of how this document was handled in the white house and placing it on a special server i think that's significant. i think that's wrong. i think that reflects the people at the white house knew that what the president was doing was wrong but i think it's not the core. the core here is what did this president abuse his presidential powers for personal benefit? >> in terms of the aspect of it that you again -- you are describing here sort of a side ...

>> thank you for having me. >> first of all, i would like to get your overall take on where we are and what we understand about this story. it has only been a couple of weeks. less than two weeks since we first learned about the existence of this whistleblower complaint. what do you think overall given your experience about what we've learned thus far in the series of this crisis? in my opinion, it is important to keep our eyes on the most important aspect of this. the potential abuse of power by the president of the united states. not only the mere fact of trying to enlist a foreign governmen...