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And there was a furor about that. look, i spoke to a white house official not long after who sort of mentioned, look, at least people aren't talking about jeff sessions anymore. this was a diversionary tactic that got people off what a lot of people were excited about at the time on to a side issue. and, you know, it derailed the house intelligence committee. it led to devin nunes having to step down. you know, we spent weeks talking about it. so from as a purely political matter, this was quite an effective diversionary tactic by the trump white house with the cooperation of devin nunes. it d...

If the republicans could find anything in there to be used against susan rice in any way, that would be their goal. they would love to be up there kind of leaking opposite bits of information. >> sure. but, look, in some sense, this has already served its purpose for the white house. if you go back to when this all began, february 4th, saturday morning, early saturday morning tweet storm by the president, that was a moment when there was a lot of controversy and attention on jeff sessions. and whether he misrepresented or lied to the senate judiciary committee about his contacts with the russi...

Me to have some kind of an independent investigation or a joint committee or something that would take this or try to take this out of the realm of politics because you are dealing with serious national security issues here. i know that devin nunes says when pro-to a we should be concerned about the unmasking of people who were incidentally, in some of these communications, and all the rest. but that is a diversion. that is a side issue right now. the major issue in front of the congress is the question of any kind of russian ties to people in the trump transition. >> we're not talking about -...

Which is why it makes sense to me to have an independent investigation or a joint committee or something that would take this or try to take this out of the realm of politics because you are dealing with serious national security issues here. i know that devin nunes says that we all ought to be concerned about the unmasking of people who were incidentally, in some of these communications, and all the rest. but that is a diversion. that is a side issue right now. the major issue in front of the congress is the question of any kind of russian ties to people in the trump transition. and -- >> we'...

Protecting the interest of the united states, both economically and military and inerms of countering terrorism. >> the brus sells forum is happening this week. you have leaders from all across europe gathering as well as the united states. what do you think the headline is going to be? >> if the past is a predictor, it will be a side issue. topics that we have with the europeans, how they are transitions in a climate of brexit, isis. instead most likely it will be on this notion of the united states accusing allies of not doing enough to contribute to the alliance or issues related to wiretap...