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That. and the president in addition to agreeing on steve bannon ideologically, he likes exactly what mike was just describing. he likes that bannon is a combatant and street fighter and miss chiefous and all the ways that the approximate is. i was talking to some people when bannon wasn't in the white house, one of the things the president liked most is they would come back after con teshs meetings. he liked the his points and the way he was tearing into them. >> and ashley, about lindsey graham, is he destined to always play the side kick in the movie? >> that's certainly obviously a role he'...

Guests? i think we should. he's so tough, his tattoos have tattoos, retired special forces master sergeant terry shafford. [cheers and applause] she goes by one name because that's all she needs. she's kennedy, host of "kennedy" on fox business. [applause] this cat has nine lives, and she hates all of them. cath -- kat timpf. [cheers and applause] and the path nonis his shoe box, former bodyguard and my massive side kick, tyrus. [cheers and applause] all right. terry -- >> sir. greg: the conventional wisdom of steve bannon, he's the dark night, he's an awful person. i'm skeptical of mob thinki...

Guests? i think we should. he's so tough, his tattoos have tattoos, retired special forces master sergeant terry shafford. [cheers and applause] she goes by one name because that's all she needs. she's kennedy, host of "kennedy" on fox business. [applause] this cat has nine lives, and she hates all of them. cath -- kat timpf. [cheers and applause] and the path nonis his shoe box, former bodyguard and my massive side kick, tyrus. [cheers and applause] all right. terry -- >> sir. greg: the conventional wisdom of steve bannon, he's the dark night, he's an awful person. i'm skeptical of mob thinki...

>> well, why not? >> i mean, apparently jerry seinfeld has said there was actually no reason. he just felt like it would be much more fun to have a villain on the show. do you think that's what it was? >> i think it kind of evolved that when i started, i was just kind of a side kick to kramer and a friend on his capers and then as time went on, this little wrinkle, you know, the thing with jerry just kind of grew. and before we knew it, we were in it and we never really had a definition as to why. there was plenty of reasons, though. >> walking down the street, especially in the whole heyday o...

Was being mocked on "snl." >> now my little jared kushner. i know you don't like talking but why don't you take it away. god, you're such a cute little twig. live from new york, it's saturday night. >> reporter: kushner's a guy with a twitter account but no tweets. a cover story in "time" with no interview. he once tiptoed past his wife as she was being interviewed. >> oh, come on, jared, come on. oh, jared, you can't just walk in and not say anything. >> reporter: the silence side kick has finally found his voice. >> it's working and it's very exciting. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york...