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>> exactly. >> what about the article suggesting hillary clinton has two challenges. the first to respond and explain what's been learned from the hacking of john podesta's e-mail account and secondly, make a strong, affirmative, compelling case for a possible clinton presidency. which is easier? >> dan is one of my favorite reporters. i don't have a lot of favorite reporters. he has always been terrific and very fair. let me just say that, i don't know charlie sykes. that was one of the most extraordinary interviews that you just had. it made me want to sit down with him and work something ou...

Than jeff weaver's e-mails would be, i'm sure, going the other way. >> i'm curious, susan, how do you think donald trump is preparing for this debate? we know he's out campaigning tomorrow, tuesday. the debate is wednesday night. do you have any indication that he is preparing differently than he did for first two? >> no, not at all. i think he's going to go again on his gut. he is just going to go more viral. just to continue on something governor dean was saying, i think when you look at the e-mails and with hillary and the democrats, what the difference is the republicans are preparing to l...

That we have, who has harmed women the most. >> okay. let's -- >> it's easy to come down on the side of hillary clinton having done that. >> let's look at something. the number of false allegations of sexual assault, it's not more than 10% or so. many experts say -- it's less than that. as someone who counsels survivors of sexual assault, you must be familiar with the numbers. with nine accusations, statistically, isn't it likely that some of them are true? >> i can't comment on that. because i don't think that the number of -- frankly, to be honest with you, i have been surprised that more wo...

Of maintaining law and order, who is potentially calling for disorder and unruliness. what does that say? >> yeah, what does it say? what do do you with pitchforks? what do do you with those tor torches? there's a long history of hyperbole of that kind of rhetoric. in this moment where you have people talking about revolution, where you have people doubting the legitimacy of the election, the legitimacy of the next president of the united states, we're playing with something dangerous. this is troubling about the trump campaign is the way he is corrupting the moral and ethical standards of his...

Standing. we will see about the american democracy. in 2012 he actually -- he tweeted a huge storm saying calling for revolution, saying the election had been stolen from mitt romney. this is something that's not new for him. it's his go-to position when he is losing, it's way of explaining why he lost, it's not his fault, it's somebody else's fault. is it getting him voters? probably not. >> makes you wonder what a concession speech would be like were he to lose? we will wait and see. we heard that trump is now suggesting that he and hillary clinton should take drug tests. suggesting that hil...