Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130801:21:53:00
Edward snowden. >> and you don't like it? >> no, i don't like it. and it's ironic, of course, that officials from the president on down are saying of course we should have a national debate about security versus privacy and all this stuff. well, we couldn't have that debate unless he had leaked the stuff. they weren't ever going to tell us. >> so the ends justifies the means? >> look. the fact that we now know that there are secret courts developing a secret body of law interpreting the fourth amendment and we can't even know about it, we can't know what the opinions say? >> simon, you get thi...