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The federal government will deal with someone who absolutely defies? which one. >> bill, watch this. we are not criminalizing people who fail to comply. do you understand me? >> bill: they have to pay a fine. >> do you understand? -- that's exactly right. >> bill: who determines the fine? >> it's in the law. >> bill: all right, congressman. >> i have got to tell you something. this is the problem with this debate. things that are made up and then no opportunity to. >> bill: i'm a simple man. i'm asking you the simplest question in the world. if somebody refuses to cooperate, who fines them and...

The federal government will deal with someone who absolutely defies? which one. >> bill, watch this. we are not criminalizing people who fail to comply. do you understand me? >> bill: they have to pay a fine. >> do you understand? -- that's exactly right. >> bill: who determines the fine? >> it's in the law. >> bill: all right, congressman. >> i have got to tell you something. this is the problem with this debate. things that are made up and then no opportunity to. >> bill: i'm a simple man. i'm asking you the simplest question in the world. if somebody refuses to cooperate, who fines them and...

The federal government will deal with someone who absolutely defies? which one. >> bill, watch this. we are not criminalizing people who fail to comply. do you understand me? >> bill: they have to pay a fine. >> do you understand? -- that's exactly right. >> bill: who determines the fine? >> it's in the law. >> bill: all right, congressman. >> i have got to tell you something. this is the problem with this debate. things that are made up and then no opportunity to. >> bill: i'm a simple man. i'm asking you the simplest question in the world. if somebody refuses to cooperate, who fines them and...

Mark mckinnon, the strategist. all right, guys, great to have you here. mark, let me start with you. simplest question in the world. why are they all not running? >> well, first of all they may look at history and realize that only one democratic president in history has been beaten. that was carter. so the fact is the president is in pretty good shape, as most incumbent presidents are. on the other hand, i would say that they also recognize, as it happened to george h.w. bush, you can be at a 90% approval rating and that can evaporate quickly. we'll have a good contest with the folks out ther...

Stern left. now we can't -- i have to say apparently, because we can't verify this. we made no less than six calls to the seiu, we talked to the media relations department, sent multiple e-mails, they will not verify if steven lerner works at seiu. i worked at companies, and you look in the company handbook and go no, he's no longer with us. it's about the simplest question we have tonight. the questions at seiu only get harder from here. introduced at seiu when he spoke this weekend at the left forum. he was the director of seiu's banking and finance campaign. important to remember. he was th...