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Of the gross domestic product which is what everybody agrees they need to stabilize the debt. with growth we will be in a position to begin reducing it further. we have a plausible plan here. let me say one thing about this, chris. >> make your point and i will make mine. >> all right. well it's not a point it's a question. the congressional budget office nonpartisan says the president 2013 budget plan never balances the budget. they also say he does nothing to deal with the long-term structural problems of entitlements. if you talk about long-term dealing with our economy and our debt the pre...

Down the economy. we had a discussion about what's needed in the short term. >> never in the short term and simpson what wthat was whuyour presidential and you ignore it had. >> the commissioner voted against it because it called for tax increases on upper income americans. >> that isn't why he voted against it he voted against it because it didn't do anything about entitlement. it's a fair point he didn't mention it. it was the president's commissions and he let it die on the vine. >> the party took another position. >> he didn't let it die on the vine. he has a plausible credible $4 trillion...

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