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Could be key to the case. he's the man sitting in the same police van as freddie gray in the last leg of the trip to the police hq. and while his testimony is likely to become a major part of this trial there are serious questions about which side will benefit after mr. allen takes the stand. this is a man who seemed to change his story in a critical way. listen to what allen says when a reporter asks about his original account to the cops. >> now, the story is according to a newspaper report "the washington post" that there was screaming in the van, that you said that he was intentionally scr...

In baltimore? >> not a chance. and not a chance for all the same reasons and not only ms. mosby but the riots but the attitude of the mayor, the attitude of the general public and just remember that anybody that gets on a jury for these six officers they'll be a rock star when they send him to the gallows and if they acquitted them or found that there was a mistrial there wasn't enough evidence they will be scorned or worse by the very people that there are neighbors, relatives and friends. >> richard, this is where i see ms. mosby's comments to be most damaging. not that she needs to be kicke...

They have to prove her failure to call an ambulance to come respond to him at that moment caused his death, his ultimate death and called at that moment there was an ambulance at police hq. five minutes made all the difference in terms of life and death? >> there's that point. >> i agree. >> her own lawyer questioning whether she had the interaction they're claiming. who will prove she did say and hear the things they're alleging. >> she's a church goer. she's a volunteer. for, you know, communities in need. she's beloved in the police force. highest ranking female officer. prosecutor overchar...

Our constitution then you should believe -- >> you can believe in all those things mark you could never have a change of venue because the judge ordered it doesn't believe in the justice system and that's bs richard. you can believe fully in the criminal justice and say it's too volatile to be charged in the city of baltimore and -- excuse me -- and a skyrocketing murder rate in the wake of this case. that one is for mark. go ahead, mark. >> well i think the evidence is already in. it was called a riot. and i think the evidence is already in by ms. mosby's statements and the evidence here is f...

Because of the -- going on. only person i talked to was homicide and same story i'm calling you all i told them. >> oh. back with me now are arthur and mark. the problem is through the magic of videotape produced from the prosecutor to the defense, the guy's on tape saying all the stuff "the washington post" reported he said to the homicide investigators. namely, they put me in that van. it sounded like freddie gray was trying to hurt himself and banging his head and questioning why did they put me in the van with a crazy person and then finds out that this is a case of national attention and ...