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Exception and allow jared to see particular information that might be critical to that particular meeting or set of meetings. but you're right that he has been a critical voice on what are some of the most important foreign policy object if ives f the country and for those purposes you want people to have access to as much information as possible. information about the context. information about the individuals you'll be dealing with. and information about the negotiations that are under way in each of those contexts. especially when you're talking about secretive societies or those with whom ...

Digging at kushner. there is a very, very hot war going on with the jared and ivanka surrogates disparaging the kelly wing of the white house, throwing all of the rob porter scandal at the feet of john kelly, his deputy joe hagan, my former white house colleague. so there's plenty -- i mean, i guess, juan zarate, this place is still a snake pit. do you hear anything different? >> thanks, nicolle. no, i mean, you and i have friends who work inside there, and obviously they're doing their best. i think, you know, what you have is obviously the external pressure and the gaze of the media, you kno...

Was a candidate. i got an e-mail, hi, i'm hope hicks. she's been there the entire way. like, when he landed that helicopter at the iowa state fair, she was the first one off. she's been there every step of the ware and it would be fascinating to know what she knows about went on. >> she's also not made a lot of public missteps. the controversy that surrounds her now around her recommendations, her participation in the response to the rob porter scandal, something you and i talked about on the air, but what she was involved in, and, again, whether she wittingly or unwittingly told corallo no on...

Point, if it's clear that an individual's not going to be able to get that clearance, of course, then you don't want them to have access to sensitive information, but what i'm trying to say is at the start, you want american officials, and he is an american official on behalf of the white house and the president, you want them to be well informed and well armed with as much information as possible. he now doesn't have that at his command, and that will now weigh on what his responsibilities are and how the president deploys him zb him. >> so, jonathan, if john kelly was trying to make the case...

Special agent tim clemnte. there sin formation, the fact she may have been radicalized years before coming to the u.s. how hard does that make it for the u.s. to pinpoint someone like her? are there sufficient procedures in place to identify someone like her radicalized in the visa program because supposedly there is a background check in this thing. >> yeah, anderson, i'm not so sure how deep that background check can go coming from a third world country. it's not like the da tabases lie the west we can look at immigration and nationalization service for decades kept great records on people t...