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To be getting further and further apart by the day as the two of them are digging in on their positions. we are day 19 of this shutdown. we've had weeks of negotiations and weeks of sitdowns between the president and the democrats and the republican leaders and here they have another meeting at 3:00 at the white house, but brianna, nothing has changed. despite the president's prime time address in the oval office last night, despite the democratic rebuttal and neither of them are offering anything new here and the president is making clear he still wants a wall as he said in the oval office ev...

Legal analyst sam milligram is with us and josh campbell. this is up to a high profile judge who heard a lot of high-profile cases. he heard the corruption trial of ted stevens. he's known for his colorful language. what do you expect from this judge? if he agrees with mueller's team that flynn has done so much to cooperate, that he deserves no time, is this a very colorfully worded slap on the wrist for michael flynn today? >> i think the judge is going to do two things. one is he's going to decide what the sentence is. i do anticipate it will be no time. >> all the others that lied to the fb...

It would seem like with all the sit downs that he has had, that would've already been unpacked right now. >> the southern district of new york was not very complimentary of him and that filing they made it. they said he had not very cooperative, special counsel's filing was more generous. that brings us to the question of him as a potential witness which was something he discussed with george stephanopoulos against any proceeding that might ever be brought up against president trump in terms of these campaign finance violations that people are talking about. given that even the southern distri...

Sitdowns he's had that would have been unpacked by now. >> that's the really interesting point here, laura. one of the reasons he got three years in jail is because at least the southern district of new york was not very complementary of him in that filing they made with the court. they said he had not been cooperative. the special counsel's filing was a little bit more generous. but you know, that brings us to the question of him as a potential witness which is something he discussed with stephanopoulos against any proceeding that might be brought up against president trump in terms of the ca...

Presidential election. so they make very clear that this was not something that cohen was doing out of the be n goodness of his heart to protect donald trump's family at the time, but they were doing it to protect donald trump as a candidate and to try to influence the results of the election. and i think, you know, it is a good point to look at the differences between this document we're seeing from the southern district and what we have seen from mueller's team. you know, the one from the southern district of new york is extremely lengthy, obviously calls for some prison time. mueller's team...