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Washington. even a white house, there was a lag time as they tried to figure out what was going on. one white house official as we in the media frantically scrambled if he was staying in his job, was getting fired or was resigning, called my colleague at the washington post and basically said that the white house was trying to figure out the exact same thing not just the reality but their own talking point, how they were going to try to spin it. so the second part of your question, at the end of the day it was kind of this disco ball. as of monday night nothing has actually changed yet. >> ash...

Former nsc director for korea, japan, and oceanic affairs. welcome to you both. sue, what do the recent, especially for people trying to enjoy the labor day weekend in america, what do the recent moves by the north, by kim jong-un tell you? and what does he continue to want from us, from anyone? >> kim jong-un is bent on completing and perfecting his nuclear arsenal, achieving capability of hitting anywhere in the united states with nuclear tipped missile. and he's not going to stop negotiating for nukes. he's not going to negotiate away the nuclear program. he's bent on doing that. he's very ...

The one we dropped on hiroshima. >> general mccaffrey, was it notable that the administration put mattis out over the weekend? was it notable what general mattis said? and in your view, is diplomacy going to get us anywhere in this thing? >> what a great way to phrase that question. i think it was extremely important that it was to take note that it was secretary mattis flanked by the chairman of the jcs, joe dunford. i think his language was categorica categorical. he didn't talk about any attack on the u.s. or allies. he talked about threats, and he talked about the annihilation of a people,...

That program. this was a very powerful nuclear test. hydrogen bomb. five times more powerful than the one we dropped on hiroshima. >> general mccaffrey, was it notable that the administration put mattis out over the weekend? was it notable what general mattis said? and in your view, is diplomacy going to get us anywhere in this thing? >> what a great way to phrase that question. i think it was extremely important that it was to take note that it was secretary mattis flanked by the chairman of the jcs, joe dunford. i think his language was categorical. he didn't talk about any attack on the u.s...

Reports to the president, everyone else reports to general kelly. i guess we'll see if that actually happens. >> i think this is as we discussed on friday, jake, when this all happened. i think we were still in this waiting to see moment, because it looks like right now that donald trump is giving general kelly all the tools and latitude he needs to really get up and running in this role, to really try to instill some discipline. this is one way to do that. but think about everything you understand about the way the trump administration is run, everything we see about donald trump's behavior a...