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Effect, i think -- is it true, did you write a letter to senator chuck grassley try to get him to investigate or look into this? >> i've been told by chairman grassley, senator grassley was the chairman at the time of the judiciary committee to direct credible allegations to the fbi because that's who was investigating. mr. steyer had tried repeatedly to contact different folks who he knew he reached out to me late that week a second time and asked for my help. he was very concerned about not having this public because he runs a nonpartisan organization that does great work here in washington....

>> the president did it effectively, but this has happened before, senator, where the president's said he wanted to move on background checks and then he talked to the nra and he came out singing a very different tune. we thought this time would be different after what he said after el paso. how big a deal is this in the election or do you think once again this is people talking about what they want but not voting on what they want? >> i would think that, i mean, there is so much concern on both sides, democrats and republicans. mr. president, you can't blast with a keg of dynamite, your base....

>> let me ask you, have you ever lied about something serious that wasn't a white lie in your life? >> no. >> in your entire life, you've never lied once about anything that wasn't a white lie? >> i'll just say not that i can remember. >> reporter: in fact mike had a hard time remembering a lot of things prosecutor lewin asked about. >> i don't remember. i don't remember going to bed. i don't remember saying that. i don't know. >> reporter: but how on earth, asked lewin, could he not remember the last time he saw his wife? >> would you agree that that would be one of the most significant event...

>> at all? >> never. >> reporter: but mike never confronted his father. >> i just knew in the back of my mind that this could be a possibility, and i really honestly at that time -- i never wanted my father to go to jail, i just wanted to know. it was so important to me to know the truth behind that evening. >> reporter: to get the truth and avoid a trial, prosecutor john lewin was willing to make a deal. >> we had offered him voluntary manslaughter if he gave us carol's body. >> and he turned you down flat? >> he did, repeatedly. >> reporter: mike pleaded not guilty. the case was going to tri...

Legal immigrants, not about you will lyle immigration reform and not about the wall. when did the debate change we're able to have a comprehensive debate, we can move from the tool other areas. >> we can't build it, can we. >> no, we can walk and my chew gum at the same time. isn't it true, if you are in this country you believed federal law, you are on medication or receiving food stamps. >> fair. >> jesse: that should not all of a sudden bump you to the front of the line if you are applying to become a legal citizen. >> but you are talking about people who are already here illegal.ge c >> fr...