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Makes a big ask and gets it. that's obviously good for him. you are right. there is a possibility that even if things don't go well -- go well, he said look i acted in good faith i handed over the detainees, i blew up the site, i've been honest. >> you have to admit the hostages coming back, north korea at the table, the paradigm has shifted, something changed from all the six party talks efforts before to get to this point. residentmp says that would be him. it's because he's here now and the north koreans understand that he's not playing around. and it could go the opposite way. if he feels ...

It is very odd for it to happen in this way. we have to look at what is going to happen in this way. we have to hope that kim young chol isn't going to try to exploit the opportunity to meet with president trump. will he try to find a way to make distinctions with president trump and his staff? we have seen that before were president trump has contradicted his previous secretary of state when he was on his way to meet with north korea, president trump said it was a waste of time. so i hope -- >> harris: could i throw something in right there? because i hear your criticism there, and i have hea...

That line of inquiry is completely off-limits. >> harris: you know, with the president now getting kind of political advice on sitting down, versus what his attorneys will actually work out, how do you see that coming together? we are inching our way toward the mid-term elections and you can't be blind to the fact -- and the president has even indicated that it could cost his party politically if he doesn't make a decision in line with what the american people who support him want. >> it's a tough decision for the president, i would think. certainly there are political pressures that you have ...

Nothing there, they're fighting perhaps an appearance to have the president sit down with him. what do you make of the tougher line? >> i think it's the right way to go because what you do need with these special council as we mentioned in the last segment is they have a tendency to go off reservation. and if the targets or the people that they're interacting with don't push back some, then there really is no restraint anywhere. from a tactical standpoint, that's the right way to go. i'm not sure about the decision to sit down with mueller. i believe the legal team is of the thought that until...

The president and his team are approaching this it is like a political campaign in the sense that they set up the opponent and the russia investigation is the opponent. if it is true that mueller thinks he cannot indict the president then it does become largely political. he is basically set the tone in terms of defining it for the public. >> i would be curious as to what your reporting is saying as it relates to the possibility of the president sitting down for robert mueller. giuliani said as of that afternoon 5:00 p.m. they walked out of the meeting, the legal team and had not made the asse...