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The president has this power to provide pardons but it's a political check where you think of the pardon by president clinton. people can protest. you say it on the qt. no one ever know the idea is a quid pro quo. down the line. and it is a potential obstruction of justice if that's in his mind. doesn't matter howmany lawyers are in the link. the crime, fraud exception would kick in. this would be part of a conspiracy to obstruct and costello and giuliani are going to have to answer undepositions about the exact nature of the communication. >> this is also from the "times." last april mr. cost...

Downing went out to tell that lie on camera. but if manafort's lawyer thought that might help get his client a pardon, it was we've already too late because right after the judge handed down her sentence in the d.c. federal court, before the lawyers got to exit the court house to talk to the audience of one, the manhattan district attorney announced thaw had indicted manafort related to an alleged mortgage fraud scheme. manafort is found guilty, he -- >> i have not even giveten a thought as of this moment. it's not something that's right now on my mind. i do feel badly for paul manafort. >> fi...

The bar with these people keeps getting lower and lower. maybe rudy giuliani will be the skd one of donald trump's personal lawyers to be indicted. because we have a lot of dus cushion about whether the president can be indicted there's no question rudy giuliani can be indicted. >> in this whole kaungz about pardons for the president, even the perspective inducement is so much more powerful than the retroactive granting thereof. like, sorry, buddy. donald trump screwed over so men a other counter part as but the idea in the future you might get it is an important thing to keep in the mund of e...

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Sglrsz i'm joined by msnbc news investigative reporter, john winter and reporter unnew york who i should note brock the story of manafort's puzzling real statuses that have bun at the center of some of these charges. so we got the sentencing. what was the timing? the sentencing happens and then vance makes his move. >> it is 29 minutes between we got the note from one of our reporters sawing the judge announced the sentence for paul manafort and 29 minutes later we are sooved a notice that indictment had been unsealed in manhattan district court. less than hoff 1/2 hour afterwards it became pu...