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When you look at that ticking up, these are people unemployed, the 99 weeks. this is a different kind of 99 than occupy wall street. look at the numbers, that is a growing proportion of the group of people who we now understand as the unemployed. so your point is there are personal psychological self-esteem issues in addition to the things we normally think of with skill building and the ability to get back. from your perspective, what were the key aspects in your experience that led to ultimately a positive result? >> well, to joe's point, there are psychological issues. you know, if you keep...

Don't know what to do and that's one of the reasons why we do a lot of the work around skill building. one of our studies found when we surveyed fathers nearly half the fathers we surveyed said they didn't have the skills and over half said they were replaceable. we have a lot of work to do and at fatherhood.org we try to help guys developing the skills to be good dads and focused very much on the issue. >> the tough question here possibly and i don't know if one's more important than the other. i'm asking which part of the problem should we be focusing on the most. you do a little bit of it p...