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Good job. they get laid off. they take an early retirement package. their skill set really doesn't put them in a place -- typically they don't write source code. i don't even know what that l k looks like. >> what is it, is that computer? >> something along those lines. my kids know. the reality is that age group typically hard working, good jobs, good salaries, adding to society tax revenue, social security revenue, all a sudden, they can't find a job. they can't find a job either at all or at their skill level. so they either have to come down, they're serving at mcdonald's which they don't ...

This slow recovery. and today was especially bad news on that front. it is important to recognize that the shutdown probably affected this report, but the directions of some of these changes, the sharp drop in the labor force, the sharp drop in the fact that people are looking for work, that's bad news. patti ann: yeah. and, again, to the underemployed people who are working part time when they really need full-time jobs and those are a lot of people taking jobs below their skill level, beau their pay grade -- below their pay grade. so what would you say is the, quote, real unemployment number...

Frank gifford, all of these guys, they stayed on the field for the 12, 14 games. most of them. now, to just wipe out almost all of them are wiped out. >> billy, this is how we remember things and how we think our world is so precious. nobody ever got hit harder than frank gifford by chuck bernarik. stood over him. he didn't pleased he got the hit. >> paralyzed. it's my point that most of the star players played the entire season. not anymore. >> john mcenroe is a genius. john mcrow really is smart about this stuff. he talks about you want to return tennis to some sort of skill level play with ...

Here. but how concerned are professionals there about cyber terrorism in general? >> well, with the syrian electronic army, i believe they have moderate skill level. what they did is used what we call a social engineering attack to trick one of the isps that had access to the domain server system. when you put in disney.com it comes back with an i.p. address because that's what the computers understand. they were able to manipulate and basically hijack the domain. it wasn't really that sophisticated. i wouldn't call it cyber warfare. i would call it some teenagers or young adults out there bas...

Doubling or mandated to be higher than the market demands. >> neil: explain that. the traditional rap from the unions and liberals are mcdonald's, wendy's,burg kings and wal-mart may money hand over fist. in the case of franchises, their profit margins are narrow and they're wholly independent operators to don't have the amp of the organization. >> it's very different. and the whole point is let's -- as soon as you mandate what the minute wage will be higher than the market demands, you disrupt the dynamics of the market. suppose you have a wal-mart and wal-mart gives in to the mandated increa...