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He's also a senior writer with salon. fighting over the debt ceiling is not a brand-new phenomenon in american politics, but were these fights less scary in the past than they are now? >> yeah, i would separate fighting over the debt ceiling is one thing. the tradition is really posturing over the debt ceiling. skpi and i think there's a big difference. you look at reagan in 1985. another example when there were budget deadlines and budget negotiations that were playing out in the capitol and the debt ceiling kind of got thrown in as part of it. there have been times where you could say there ...

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Them. they come back, they feel better and they go out again. they're willing to sacrifice their health to feed their family. i think that's tragic. >> you've been distributing what protective gear you have to these workers. do you know what bp's reaction has been to workers showing up with their own protective gear? >> yes, i'm glad you brought that up. when our folks, our fishermen folks had their respirators on, they were told to take them off, that they would be fired if they use them. >> fired. for wearing -- >> said they were not allowed to use them. >> what was the premise of that? >> f...

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