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Kidding. i don't kid. here we are. >> this is a campaign full of wwe rallies where the chant was build that wall. he was not messing around. the homeland security directors are coming out implementing these new measures. shouldn't be a surprise. but the challenges he faces are a surprise to him and his administration. because enforcing the laws are difficult. we don't have immigration judges or detention facilities. some of these countries won't accept immigrants back in. it's easier said than done but he's taking the steps within his executive authority. >> bill: michael, is the sky falling? ...

Merkel. >> i'm joined by congressman elijah cummings of maryland, ranking member of the oversight committee. congressman cummings, i appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> my question is, are we less safe now and really what damage has been done? as i ask you that question, i quote from the new nsa director who specifically said that the revelations in his opinion do not lead him to the conclusion that the sky is falling. so is the sky falling? how big is the damage? >> i don't think necessarily the sky is falling, but i think there has been substantial da...

The nation is in default and many bad things may follow. that's more or less their definition of it. republicans, however, are essentially saying, at least some of them are saying no, only this top one, the interest, must be paid in full to avoid default. imagine that this is the mortgage on your house, you must pay it. these other checks are for electricity, water, gas. yeah, you owe it, they should be on time but they can be a little late without the sky falling. you see the difference here. for the democrats, they are basically saying there is a deadline coming up soon, you have to cover ev...

Arrest by trary way right now. they don't want further tax increases but it will be an interesting back and forth and see whether this propels those negotiations over a budget deal. >> back to austan's remarks, he says that now you're going to interestingly start seeing a the love discussion about maybe the sequester is a bigger deal than people thought. we know after that deadline passed, there were many who mocked the president's reaction saying where is the sky falling? we were supposed to see long lines at the airport. a lot of the predictions the president made, people are saying he overp...

And it is health care where we're spending orders of magnitude more than any other nation on health care. if we're serious, somehow that's where we have to get our house in order. if we're going to save the money we need to in the long term. >> picking up on your point about the sky falling, don't you think it is pretty odd that the situation we're in, we started with a debate over whether these cuts were a good thing. and now we're having this national debate over whether they are a thing. because in the republican narrative, which has worked on a lot of the press, it seems, the idea that in ...