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Enforcement, you've seen cases that are slam dunks. you've seen cases that are close calls, not sure. should we charge? should we not charge? do we have here? you've seen cases get dismissed in court. you've -- and not been surprised and then sometimes surprised because you understand the various weights that evidence can have. what's your assessment of the case against the president that robert mueller assembled in this report? >> lawrence, when the report first came out and i had an opportunity to read it and remember as a member of both committees i've had an opportunity to read the unredac...

Educate the public. i think they're actually trying to educate members of congress. i would suspect a very few have probably plowed through about the 448-page documents. it is not a page-turner. it is written very well. it is outlined in a form you can really start with the table of contents and get the overview of it all. and then each section, the executive summary of it is great so you can work your way into the detail. but what's devastating, don, is the 142-contacts between the trump campaign and the russians. now, there may be not be a conspiracy but there's just an unusual amount of con...

448-page document. it is not a page-turner. it is written very well. it's outlined in a form that you can really start with the table of contents and get the overview of it all. and then each section, the executive summary of it, is great. so you can work your way into the detail. but what's devastating, don, in volume one, for example, is the 142 contacts between the trump campaign and the russians. now, there may not be a conspiracy, but there's just an unusual amount of contact with the russians by that campaign. very unusual. and then in volume two, the obstruction, five of those cases of ...

Toing on their side, especially when it relates to congressional subpoenas. and the course don't get in the way that so they're going to lose these cases one after another because they're not tough cases, they're easy cases, they're slam dunks. >> that's one of the things that still almost when a subpoena was issued to bill clinton, it a subpoena, it legal, you have to comply. moe man is above the law. >> yet the stra i didn'ts been pr hopefully it all plays out

This president now. she keeps telling them privately, let the committees do their work. let jerry nadler and adam schiff and all the other chairs build the case against the president. she keeps telling them privately, i'm told, the country is not fully aware of the pleasant president's behavior. as you said, paint the picture. for now don mcgahn, annie donaldson, hope hicks, another level of cory lewandowski, all the characters from the mueller report. this could take the rest of 2019. that's what the speaker's strategy is. you couldn't rush the process, begin impeachment proceedings even thou...