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In order to panic people. you first dehumanize people, you then terrify the rest of the population, so it's easier to round these people up and get people not to care. in the case of the japanese, the vast majority of them, as we know, were either native born or naturalized citizens. the vast majority of these people are people running for their lives. and under the process that we go through, there is a process for them to seek refuge in the united states. these are not the m-13 people that trump keeps talking about. you'd have to be a really determined m-13 person to go across the desert for...

Judge, make sure that we have plenty of holding space. >> i think a a couple of days ago, he was okay with it, so the optics were terrible. the president has used this as an excuse. he's looking for something that's probably not constitutional and what i'm hearing from people on the border, my friends who are lawyers and also reporters is that in these courtrooms and ann can speak to this better, this these courtroom, you used to see 90% of the people in front of these judges were there because they were getting kicked out of the country because they committed a violent crime. we are not deali...

Country since 2014 came in legally and just overstayed their visas. we have not addressed that whatsoever. trump is fixated on a wall that will never be built. we are just having this dance that just makes his base feel good and outrages everybody else. >> what i don't get is -- >> if he was serious, heould actually tackle the problem. >> -- i can't get over, what about it makes his base feel good? how does it help his base in their lives? >> because he's -- we have created a culture in this country where anybody different is a threat. there is no -- you just said it, there's nonction made bet...

Inane. it doesn't, as you point out, it doesn't serve his interest, particularly when he's got an ag in place in a person in jeff sessions who is pursuing his agenda, and very effectively, bringing in m-13 cases, concluding a huge antitrust settlement, effectively running the justice department. so i think he ought to quit complaining about that. >> laura: former attorney general of the united states mr. mukasey, thank you very much. >> good to be with you. >> laura: you may have suspected samantha bee's apology to ivanka trump -- what she said behind closed doors when the press wasn't invited...

Appointed somebody else is inane. it doesn't serve his interest particularly when he's got an agin place in the person in jeff sessions who is pursuing his agenda and very effectively bringing in m- 13 cases and concluding a huge antitrust settlement and effectively running the justice department. i think he ought to quit complaining that. >> laura: former attorney general of the united states. mr. mukasey thank you very much, you may have suspected samantha bee's apology to vining vining trump was not that much. with little less alone. but then something happened. we had to deal with spam, fa...