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The columbia mall. i've been there many times. my daughter tracy lives out in that area. i'm very familiar with it. >> it's a cold day, obviously we are in the middle of winter. people go to the mall on a busy saturday morning. this place would have been packed. you heard the police chief talking about that. you've been there. tell us about the layout, if you will, of this mall and what some of the areas of concern are as they look for people now. there are a couple of anchor stores like lord and taylor. >> you've got quite a few upscale stores. this is an upscale community. there is a movie t...

Would be hundred of thousands of people out there. a lot to do. a large mall. it's not far from the airport. >> in terms of the shooting of itself this would be a first in this area that we have had a story like this where a development has taken place where there is a mall shatting in this particular part of -- shooting in this particular part of the d.c. area and surrounding suburbs. >> you are right. as a matter of fact, that mall is very safe. the other mall that you have close to there, obviously, we have the maryland casino which is only about four to five miles away. very well protected...

And your love ones to a mall anymore on a saturday without possibly risking being involved in some kind of shooting incident. it's a very scary world we're moving in to. >> stand by for a moment, tom. we were talking with rod wheeler a few minutes ago who was making his way to the area because he knows the area very well and he apparently was at the mall just in morning as he was telling us. are you there? what are you seeing right now? >> well, i'm on route 42. i'm right outside the mall area. i'm only about five minutes from the entry doors to the mall. but i can tell you traffic in all dire...

Shooting of individuals who knew each other, or is this just a loner, perhaps a gunman that committed this offense. so there is a great deal of investigation going on right now. i would have to believe that the f.b.i., the maryland state police, and the local police are converging on that area. >> this, of course, being a busy shopping day. saturday, of course, where lots of people are out and about shopping and also going to the movies. >> yeah, uma that is a very busy mall. you are absolutely right. this is a saturday morning. it's very cold here in the washington, d.c., area. but there are,...

Direction. even away from the mall. it seems like everything is backed up. so that is what is going on now. i think the situation is still a fluid situation. even though there has been reports that the shooter is dead. until that is confirmed, the is. until that is confirmed, police will keep this area on lockdown. >> that is obviously a very good point to make. you heard from tom ruskin there saying since we don't have actual confirmation about whether this alleged shooter was targeting his victims or shooting at random, the fact that he allegedly shot two people, including himself, suggests ...