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Out on very opposite sides of the world in terms of our believes about things like the iraq war and we're on the same side. you know, walk us through how you got to the point where you're saying just vote exclusively for democrats because i know in virginia right now, there is a republican that tried to put himself forward. when i look at him, i see another guy to get pressured to go along and do whatever it is trump wants in 2024 and throw out votes. so are you where i am? >> absolutely, joy. i mean, this is a time when everybody who is a small d democrat has to unite in support of the big d ...

Old rules have been broken. we have to reimagine ourselves moving forward. history is my witness. the task is fallen on the shoulders of an unsuspecting generation to salvage democracy. we're going to rise to the occasion or it's a wrap, period! it's hard to follow that. i'm going to ask mark mckinnon to try. among your many talents, and the circus is just on fire, but you also want to pass life crafted from a creative standpoint messages to move people, not just make them vote one way or another but move them emotionally. i wonder what message you would craft to move people, not just in virgi...

Decline, and it's happening here in the united states and in many parts of the world. it's sometimes defined as a gradual decline in the quality of democracy. if unchecked, democratic back sliding results in the state's losing its democratic qualities, becoming an autocracy or authoritarian regime. democratic decline. it doesn't happen all at once, it doesn't happen on a single day, it's a back sliding. how does it happen? how can small d, democratic media, what can media outlets do to preserve my rights, your rights and all of our rights? with me now is michael abramowitz, president of the fr...

And it's incredibly tiring and it's incredibly dangerous, and it harms a lot of people. >> that's why it gets so frustrating. i'll let you jump in a second, ron, when people try to both sides all of this. >> yes. >> there is honestly one side who is acting like the adults in the room. and everything else is politics as usual. >> yes. >> you have what's happening at the border, it's terrible. it's politics as usual. most of it is politics as usual, right? we can deal with it. but there is one side now who's really not operating in reality. so it's hard to kind of both sides all of these issues....

Governs itself a little differently. some better than others, some worse than others. sometimes around elections, in fact, it's indeed awkward. but our system is going through something that it has never been through before. it is breaking down in terms of its participation and small d democracy on one side of our politics. as ridiculous as it is, and for all of the other things our country has to deal with, both internationally and here at home, our democracy being under legit and sustained attack from -- ck fro -- -- plus a cooling sensation. live claritin clear. bogeys on your six, limu. th...