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Visits provide many inmates a glimmer of hope for the future, but for david scritchfield, it's a sight he may never see. >> i fell for a staff member here. she got fired. this is paula, the love of my life. i can't even have visitation. >> well, i met him while i was working at the penitentiary, and he was one of my patients. he's a real smart one, smart aleck, funny guy. and i was too. i was feisty right back to him, and so we just started messing around, joking around like that. i think that's what -- our playfulness with each other is what got david and i to start a friendship. >> as the ol...

>> it is what it is and i would also say this. it's all just -- at this point, the possibly care? if hillary clinton said what difference could it make? what difference could possibly make? steve bannon has his version of any says the other people on the other side are bad news. >> dana: was to get into more of a read of this book, it's clear that steve bannon talks to him a lot. it's also clear that steve bannon comes out as a smart one in the book and everybody else is an idiot. >> because steve bannon understands as much as he says has taken a position that an old media, the legacy media is...

>> the settling of scores can make some things possible. bannon still believes in trump, believes in the agenda and thinks he is being terribly served by his family and in-laws, his sons, as well as others around him. i'm sure scaramucci it has been revealed going back months is engaged in score settling as well. that's part of the dysfunction that we have a ringside seat to. >> yeah. but know your audience. how self destructive do you have to be to go after the president's children? >> if you don't like those guys at the time, remember context, right? he is talking to michael wolff at a time ...

Claims and i'll get your reaction. let's start with this one, talking about winning the election. quote, i won because i campaigned properly and she didn't. she campaigned for the votes. i campaigned for the electoral college. john, do you think the electoral college concept was bigger for him after the fact? after all, he did win the electoral college in your state, wisconsin. >> yes, he did. i think that donald trump did indeed have an electoral college strategy in 2016. it was a smart one. but remember that before the election, he was expressing a lot of concern about whether he might win t...

It inappropriate and breach of separation of powers. the white house insists the president has done nothing wrong. they use a very specific phrase to explain it. we will discuss it with jonathan martin, akaj. mart one of the co authors of the report. good to have you, my brother. thank you for being here. the phrase that the white house uses is undue influence, which makes every lawyer's eyebrow go up. it is a specific term of art, a level of conduct of an executive. that does the reporting reveal about how forceful, to use richard burr's word, the president was on this issue? >> this comes du...