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Went to america at age 10 and served four months for assault and bodily harm in houston. yet back here he trembles. >> reporter: are you scared of the gangs here now? >> yeah. >> reporter: are you afraid you'll end up involved ask caugand caught up in that? >> when i was in the usa, i saw people killed every day. it scared me, man. >> reporter: he's already counting the money in his account to see if he has enough for the $8,000 smuggling fee back to the u.s. christian meets his mother after four years and recently deported brother hazwa wry. hazway pays to be smuggled back into the united sta...

Smugglers best friend. what i have seen in my career, i have seen people killed for not paying their smuggling fee. we talk to people that have been raped, children molested, people killed. in phoenix in the hostage crisis, they could not pay their fees. we rescued one man who was deck taped head to toe, he had a straw for his mouth and that's how he was breathing for two days. i had a 5-year-old that suffered, what do you think he and his father went through the last 30 minutes of their life, looking at his child -- >> so are you saying they're animals? >> i'm saying there are those that brea...

Their smuggling fee. i've seen -- we've talked to women that have been raped, children that have been molested, people that have been killed. i shared with a media yesterday in phoenix, arizona, during the hostage crisis several years ago, people couldn't pay their fees, the fees would double. we rescued one man who was duct taped from head to toe. when i was in victoria, texas, i found a tractor-trailer with a 5-year-old that suffered. what do you think the 5-year-old went through the last 30 minutes of his life? what do you think the father went through, knowing he couldn't help him because ...

Cycle. instead they have got to go home, raise another $3,000 smuggling fee and they are out of commission for maybe a year. then you have multiple offenders who will be detained and prosecuted. those are criminal records will be flown back to central america or mexico city. smugglers will be prosecuted in mexico. so the border patrol has used these tools in different places at different times in the past. now they are putting them together in this national policy. what does it mean for the immigration debate? a lot. those who favor amnesty means a more secure border means we can start talking...