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Bond. is that just in the moment here? or are these two leaders may be -- >> the answer is we don't know. again, i hearken back to reagan-gorbachev. they had their first meeting in november of 1985, and things seemed to be on a very positive track and then they went very negative. if you remember, the russians took an american journalist from "u.s. news & world report" and made him a prisoner, said he was a spy, high tensions, talk about expelling diplomats, and it was, as a result of that, that gorbachev called on president reagan and said, let's have the snap summit in rye quebec. the reason...

Spending together. >> there were no breakthroughs but the leaders decided they could do business. 11 months later they held a snap summit in iceland. gorbachev offered massive arms cuts but only reagan gave up the star wars missile defense plan. reagan refused and walked out. u.s. russian relations went into the deep freeze. but the deadlock in iceland led to deals a year later. they signed an historic agreement to eliminate all medium missiles in europe although star wars still blocked long-range weapons. >> a secretary and express different points of view. we did so bluntly. for that reason ...