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Tell me if i'm wrong? >> i don't think so. >> he didn't mention the numbers. he didn't quantify it the way they have been. they learned their lesson a little bit. so let's score one for accuracy in argument. >> one piece of reporting i'm getting a note from somebody in the trump world who sees data, who says that the data that they have inside trump world shows that it is a win for him to talk about border security for people who don't -- even for people and especially for people that don't like him personally and that it is bad for those on the left who come up against that. now i'm not sayin...

>> i don't think so. >> he didn't mention the numbers. he didn't quantify it the way they have been. they learned their lesson a little bit. so let's score one for accuracy in argument. >> one piece of reporting i'm getting a note from somebody in the trump world who sees data, who says that the data that they have inside trump world shows that it is a win for him to talk about border security for people who don't -- even for people and especially for people that don't like him personally and that it is bad for those on the left who come up against that. now i'm not saying that that is data i ...

That work together. that's why i brought up those points. the argument over moderate vs. conservative needs to go to what works and i would frankly, if i could say to the president, unless this bill has a process that works, you need to say no to the bill. republicans have got to stop snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. and the democrats are never going to agree with them because it's not about agreement. it's about the wedge issue. abby: thai that is why it's so complicated. paul ryan saying something different. democrats saying something completely different. the other party of this c...

Therefore we're going to move forward on this bill. they had a perfect out. >> what's the expression. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. they could have declared victory, gone home and moved on to more pressing issues. instead they have to reenforce this vision of themselves as being obstructive. >> that side that's trying to undermine john boehner, who would they suggest as a possible speaker if they could depose boehner? >> i think steve is absolutely right. they do not have a viable contender. daniel webster was their choice, you know, he didn't end up getting more than a handful of...

Speech for president obama. she was just soaring as secretary of state because she was seen in a nonpolitical context, in a political context, even when she was no longer secretary of state, she disappeared very, very briefly. her ratings stayed up there. now that she's put this book out, of course it's going to be seen in a political context. of course republicans are going to come out and try and beat up every single thing she says because she's not quite a candidate. she doesn't have a response to get out there and say, this isn't true. she's also out there. i think for her, she would have ...