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So that story is being told in this phenomenal piece in "the new york times" today. ann bernard wrote the story. she joins me now from beirut there in lebanon. so ann, thank you so much for your time. talk about just these extensive interviews, the research, three generations of alan's family. let me begin with alan's final hours. you in reading your piece, you were able to get this firsthand account from his father, who was on the boat with him. you write about how the boat nipped over sand the family sai to keep above water. what did the other survivors tell you what happened next? >> well, ...

Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the citizen population in the united states. and the united states is unique in this situation, every poll -- >> and ann got a shiver down her spine, i'm getting an e-mail from her asking to debate you. >> that was ann taking task with the comment that they are illegally flooding over the border. ann coulter who happens to be the author of "adios america" doesn't agree with geraldo. so she is here to respond and geraldo is back as well. he is the host of geraldo rivera reports. so ann, let me just tee it up for those who have forgotten...

Initial mandate. >> defund. >> stephanie, the sunday before the shutdown, the bill that went to the senate was no special deals. >> you did change your demands over time. >> if we think special deals are good, let's have at it. >> let me, ann, pick up on a part of what congressman harris was saying earlier. i this think it helps to look at the picture of the president today and the 13 people who were standing with him. it's fascinating, good both of you understand perfectly, but only three of the 13 people are directly affected. the rest were there testifies that they're really happy, that the...

The affordable care act is a good solution. and i'll tell you that in the conversation that we and rural america are having, folks are so hungry for the facts and to have an organization to show up and say here's what's available to you. and i tell you, when we're talking to them about the fact that at these health insurance markets, you can't be denied because of a pre-existing condition, help is available to pay for it, that goes a long way. he think that's probably where we disagree. but i think the fundamental belief that the system hasn't worked before is something that we can agree on. >...

Of course you also have the of the union there would be more reality -- if it's a tough vote. transparency, and we'll see what >> and they know that it is happens. >> the book is "the way of the knife." the author mark mazzetti, unlikely to succeed in the house. some of them are arguing why should i walk the plank on this? congratulations. >> thank you very much. they're gathering to bury is there also a big-picture look the state officer. at this, those who have taken a the young diplomat's funeral is tough vote for them on being held in river forest, immigration, or preparing to, don't wan...