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Reimbursed mr. cohen for the payment directly or indirectly. was that the lie or was everything that he told other investigators the lie? which is it? >> well, that's the problem, of course, when you are trying to establish ultimately when you get to trial proof beyond a reasonable doubt. this creates a reasonable doubt as to what the intention was in the payment of this money and also what donald trump may have been thinking when this was done. that's the reason that the prosecution of people like john edwards collapsed. there are various reasons why a celebrity or well-known person would pay...

Which is under new york state law, that's only a misdemeanor. that has a two-year statute of limitations. you can't bring this claim now. so bragg has a second thing he has to do, which he has to bootstrap that into a different new york statue, which makes ate felony if you create a false business record in the aid of commission and of another crime. presumably that other crime is some sort of federal elections commissions violations. the fec refused to bring that case. the department of justice renewed to bring that case. the southern district of northern department of justice refused to brin...

Here is that if donald trump could pick one of these torpedoes to hit, this would be the one because he has been arguing that they are politicizing the criminal justice system and alvin bragg gave him proof positive that narrative is correct at least in this case. more substantive threats exist in things like mar-a-lago. those are conventional crimes, well established theories of culpability. so if you had to choose, of course this would be the one that trump would decide to go forward with first. what bragg has done is he is now going to paint all those other cases if they end up in indictmen...

Turn of prosecutorial. it's fascinating. neil, what do you think is going on in alvin bragg's office? >> heaven knows. michael saying district attorney bragg was on the ball today, but coming into your show, i felt like no one here looks good. there are three basic characters. one is this district attorney br a agg who looks really timid. and some of it is not entirely his fault. prosecutor after prosecutor has flinched and wilted in the face of donald trump's attacks on them. and they melt under pressure. so bragg has been inherit hadding some of that. so some of that is not his fault. michae...