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Feherty. good to have you with us along with that. >> thank you, mika. yeah. that's the holy grail right there. >> right there. okay. well -- >> so as our eyes set upon the holy grail right there, tell us, david, why northern ireland, why now? >> well, why is -- it hasn't been there i think in nearly 70 years. 1951 was the last time it was there and why, well, it hasn't been there more often because obviously of the political situation in northern ireland, the troubles. >> so if brexit goes ahead and if one of the possibilities is northern ireland joins with ireland, this could be the last tim...

Paul. >> but david and susan couldn't really give a reason why paul would want to kill roberto other than they felt paul just had that kind of personality to do something like that, while pete didn't. >> so you don't think peter is capable of actually developing a very sophisticated device to create an explosion? >> i am doubtful of it. i don't know him that well. that well. but i really wouldn't think he could. >> okay. >> and i also think he doesn't have the moxie to do something like that. >> what do you mean, the moxie? >> just the -- the meanness. >> the meanness? >> yeah. >> reporter: bu...

This is a video from their wedding day. a messy divorce followed a few years later. >> so david and susan moore came into our office. >> reporter: susan moore is dave's wife. what did they say when they got into the office? >> the first thing they told us was a wiretapping incident. >> reporter: wiretapping? >> yes. >> reporter: dave and sue claimed paul tapped his wife's phone to spy on her during divorce negotiations and, sure enough, here are the court documents. in 1997 paul was arrested on four counts related to tapping both his wife's and in-laws' phones. he pleaded guilty to one count o...

His goon push jorge ramos out of a press conference. he likes physical intimidation. people were physically intimidated on the sidewalk in front of trump tower during the campaign. their placards were taken out of their hands and thrown away. he likes to have people intimidated reputationally, financially. you name it, he'll use the trick to go after somebody. >> david, you say that trump operates like a white collar crime family? >> yeah. well, michael's right. we've seen these examples of him having his bodyguards push people around. donald is really in the business of ripping people off usi...

Then, you know, the tweet that he said and then said oh, let's leave the cohen family alone. this is after. >> after i disrupted the cohen family. >> exactly. so david, michael cohen was also asked about trump's not releasing his tax returns because he feared that the public scrutiny would lead to an audit and tax penalties that is a very, very different take than what we have heard from trump. >> oh, it's absolutely different. the bottom reality is donald doesn't want anybody to see his tax returns for several reasons. first of all, if we got him for the last ten years, for some of those year...