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Justice calling it contrite. the court keeps on calling out the administration nonsense. is that what's going on here, hey, it is nonsense, stop it. >> yeah, they're getting bumpy on this. as john says for the actual cases, it may not be inseparable. in an overall trend, you have an administration who has a political ammo feeling whatever they feel like and brazen it out. they tried that same approach in the court, you have judges now and beholden embolden and standd open pli flaly flailing for som response. how about start with the truth? can we try to do that or the spectacle for the departm...

Else -- another employee won't challenge me. so i think there were some planning that went into it in advance. >> and john, as a ground control employee, would he have been able to be watching pilots or have any exposure to pilots to know how to turn on this plane and get it moving? >> i guess that's possible. if he was looking very carefully, but he would not be authorized to ride on the jump seat or anything like that, so he may have been able to watch if he knew somebody that was a private pilot fly a smaller aircraft but that wouldn't have given him the specific knowledge of how to start a...

Background checked. he's been vetted. he is known to people and an airline employees walk back and forth and get on and off of planes quite frequently. this is when the maintenance is done and the cleaning is done so having a valid airline id would allow him access to the airplane which is appropriate, but the investigation is going to look into all of those things to see if there was a way that this could have been prevented, but as i say, the investigation is just getting started so we ned to let that process unfold. >> right. and john, we heard earlier him speaking with the tower and he com...

The airplane started and to taxi it and take it off and fly it, that takes a lot of specialized knowledge and i was very surprised that this occurred. >> so john, tell me, what do you make of the fact that he wasn't a pilot but that he was able to fly that plane? >> well, he indicates when he's talking to air traffic control that he has quote, played a lot of video -- or flown a lot of video games and i guess that gave him the basic knowledge, but it surprised me because the q 400 turbo prop, it's a pretty complex airplane and it requires a lot of things to be done in a specific sequence to ge...

John dean, i'm so glad you're here because you've gone through this before. a snippet of the tape. >> i've spoken to alan wieselberg about how to set the whole thing up with funding -- yes. and it's all the stuff. because you never know where that company, you never know where he's going to be -- >> you never know if he'll get hit by a truck. >> correct. i'm all over that. i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> pay with cash? >> no, no, no, no, no. >> check? >> so john, michael cohen had said at one point he wanted to be t...