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Are veterans or people, active military. he can continue to expand classes of people who are eligible for that type of relief. he can't grant anyone citizenship but can offer slow, incremental relief. >> so to us it's very important, he has the power to stop the connie de bie poration. it's a same the first african-american president of the u.s. has deported more than 2 million people. >> the pausing of deportation and the expansion of -- i am bringing the both of you back in as we'll continue to talk even more on this question of lbj and how some of his biggest accomplishments were achieved o...

Doesn't exist. >> julian, i'm so glad you brought us there. i was reminded as we were having our lbj love affair putting the show together today, of that moment of the 2008 elections when hillary clinton, then a candidate against then senator obama was asked about sort of, you know, the successes and said that dr. king's treatment only began to be realized when president lyndon johnson passed the civil rights of 1964, when he was able to get through congress something that president kennedy was hopeful to do. presidents before had not even tried. it is not just about lyndon johnson, some great...

When he tab led this problem. lbj did not look at poverty as a black/white issue. there was not that racialized element. and, you know, in the time when america was different, lbj believed we are america, we can do everything, let's tackle it. and the country responded. so many conservatives like to say that it was a failure because we did not eradicate poverty. but there was a success. poverty rates dropped dramatically. i just want to -- >> people lived longer. >> i want to underline your point with data here because paul ryan is empirically wrong when he said it did not work. >> right. >>...

>> and it colors the war on -- >> oh, yeah. >> but transportation part of what he's talking about. >> one thing we have to remember about lbj right now because this month, in 1965, my father joined a meeting at the white house that the president called to discuss how to take civil rights to the next level. right? and one of the things that happened in that meeting is that -- and my father had just been to south carolina on voting rights looking at how still 50% of blacks were still disenfranchised in south carolina, complaining to katz and beck that we weren't doing a sufficient amount when fo...

This in the oval office on that level of recognition is that he sees the impact of what fdr did when he cut these deals with southern democrats that effectively cut black people out of the main benefits of the new deal. >> yep. >> he's saying we can actually close this loop. >> yep. >> we see what this difference is. >> i love you made the point about infrastructure. as we go out, we'll stay on the topic, but i want to listen to lbj making the point that several of you have made about that connection between poverty and race as he's talking about the question of education. it's worth just hear...