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Like that and they may be black, they say yeah, i'm having a problem with the police. i don't really go by these types of polls. i don't think they show any truth in the system. >> it's an opinion poll. so it shows what people think. if one-fifth of a community feels as if they're being targeted, the fact that one-fifth of them feel that way, the numbers haven't gone much differently in 2000 when we did the same study. it hasn't changed much over the past 15 years, that suggests there's a problem. i would disagree lastly with the idea that it's just based on the media narrative. before there w...

>> that's trite. she's play to get heartstrings and the emotions. it will take a more than a few words, blowing a few kisses and saying i love you. because the economy is bad. and because the justice system needs balancing, of course the job market opportunity access all of that needs to happen. >> yesterday, alveda i don't know if you know what i talked about on the show but i talked about your uncle, martin luther king jr. and a speech that he gave back in 1964 during the nobel peace prize. i guess that was the name of the speech. the nobel speech. i want you to list ton a snippet -- we're g...

I thought we should remember what he did say in 1964 "the quest for peace and justice." here's a piece of that. violence never brings permanent peace. it solves no social problem. it merely creates new and more complicated ones. violence is i am practical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. it is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than winning his understanding. it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. it destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. it leaves societ...

Back to be a city councilman but going to be mayor again. i said, oh, geez. you had power in the seventh, eighth ward, in the black community. what was it about the mustn't that stuck by you through all this hell? >> could see through all of it, the barry haters. they could see through all the trials and tribulations that were -- but also could see marion barry, the person who had persevered, who had changed washington from top to bottom for the good. who had moved minority businesses from 30% to 47%. millions of dollars. our seniors, our young people. >> let me ask you one last time, because ...

Enough for you because you love the story more than the al apology? >> he responded yes, but. and i'm saying, yes, but we have to move on. we'll talk more. free freshmen will probably be arrested at ole miss after a noose was found around the statue of a civil rights icon. is this a sign of a bigger social problem? we'll debate that, next.