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You can't have it both ways. you can't say social security is in good shape and say by the way this bill will solve social security problem an and claim it as deficit money as well. martha: you make a lot of interesting points i. want to go back over the one you made before. there are a lot of illegal workers in this country who pay into the social security system and reap no benefits from it at all. does this cbo, does it account for that, that many of those people would be converting to being here legally, so it wouldn't really change in terms of the money that they are bringing in? what the...

Cpi we use because their basket of goods is biased toward health care and other services which experience greater inflation. we have a basic problem that as people live into their 80s, the social security check becomes -- and any pension assets they have become very inadequate. i agree with ron though that any solution to the social security problem means raising the age to 70, but what you've got is people out there who refuse to acknowledge the basic demographics of the situation, that these changes have to be made or the system will become insolvent. >> also obviously this idea of people li...

Government to take what people get out of it. a way to end it. so we are not, and the left is not talking anymore about what the real issues are are, and we talked about in the break about social security, and they are going to gut social skuecurity. i'm okay. i'm old [ laughter ] but y'all are going to be in trouble when it comes to social security and your generations will be in trouble when it comes to social security, because they are going to take it back and gut it so people won't get their do. and we talked about, melissa, if they raised the cap and people who made up to $a 500,000 or m...

It's 3/10 of a percent a year, cumulative. after you get benefits for ten years you're lose 3%. 20 years, 6%, after 30 years, 9%. the hit is considerably larger than the tax hit to the typical person over $250,000 who would be subject to clinton dasher are tax rates and we're told this is not a big deal. most seniors are not living particularly well. we have the data on that. roughly 40% rely on their social security check with averages over $1200 a month for 90% or more of their income. 70% rely on it for more than half their income so the idea of these high-living seniors, i don't need my ch...

Dollars. that is a budget problem and a half. isn't it? >>guest: couple things. one, this, we are not disagreeing that tax cuts increase the deficit. we both agree on that. you are saying that tax cuts increase the deficit. i'm saying tax cuts increase the deficit. where we diverge is that you are saying it is a social security problem because we have done a tax cut through the social security system and i am say this is a general fund problem, a broader government deficit and it has nothing to do with the social security system. we need to remember that social security will be solvent for 25 ...