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Vote. if you have a full vote, impeachment doesn't happen. it's unlikely that the senate impeach him. >> you think they have a trail? >> i think that will have a trial. >> there's the wager. >> mcconnell is an institutionalist. >> there's the wager. i think they will kill it on the floor. and it needs a simple majority. >> they'll never get rid of the two-thirds of majority to end a filibuster. it's gone now. history doesn't change until the second it changes. i do not think there will be a trial. he won't be convicted. impeached by the house, acquitted by the senate. >> well done, chris cilli...

On this ukraine call because you need a high crime or misdemeanor. you need extortion, bribery, treason, and you don't have it. and asking for an investigation is not asking for a thing of value. jim baker? >> well, it doesn't have to be a crime as defined by congress in a particular statute like in the campaign election law that i think he was referring to. that's just not what's at issue here. this is an issue that sounds in -- what i mean is it comes from the constitution itself, and so it's congress enforcing the constitution itself. that's what it has to think about. and what it needs to ...

30-minute call, and we have a 2,000-word excerpt. there's a lot missing. but the president over and over again said, my guy, giuliani, rudy, and my attorney general are going to come see you, and they need to talk to you. by the way, i need you to also investigate biden. we know what that is, and i just want americans, whether you're republican or democrat, to understand that this has nothing to do with politics. this has everything to do with our future, our constitution, and protecting the lives of american citizens. >> but tell me why it's wrong enough to warrant impeachment. the counter ar...

We're back now with garrett graff, jim baker, and susan glasser. let's do a little bit about the state of play given all this new information. so, jim baker, i had robert ray, redoubtable legal mind. he says high bar for impeachment. we should all agree about that. the idea that the democrats want to vote next month, i think that's suspect. but he said, you don't have it on this ukraine call because you need a high crime or misdemeanor. you need extortion, bribery, treason, and you don't have it. and asking for an investigation is not asking for a thing of value. jim baker? >> well, it doesn't...

Underlying obligation to be truthful. however, of course, in the end there will be an evaluation made as to whether or not this conduct this meeting in particular, amounted to a conspiracy to violate the federal election laws. it is illegal to solicit a foreign national to make a contribution. and it doesn't even have to be accepted, this solicitation doesn't have to be accepted to be a violation of this statute. and so trump junior and kushner in respect of this, could well be on the brink of being chargeable for conspiring to violate these laws. we have facts that we still need to gather, bu...