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If i'm a teacher and i'm teaching a student and that student is either regressing, not getting up to speed, then why shouldn't i be judged on that same basis? because i should be judged by the product of what i'm doing. if a teacher is not judged on that, and that doesn't go in the pay scale, then we're wasting a lot of money. now the teachers union insists on tenure after three years in l.a. unified, so it's crazy because people who are obviously not qualified, not producing a student learning, people are paying for that. yes, we should stop that. >> cheryl: i want to get to the issue about t...

Can't be judged on the same scale as someone teaching the kids with the high grades. just not making it purely across the board performance. you have to look at this. teachers in new york city, i know this is a rough place to go to school. the kids are rough. to teach, to have the same scale as sort of honor students for some of the schools would be ridiculous. >> that is the point i think, right? >> wait a minute. wait a minute. >> i taught for a year and i was there. there is no incentive to bust your butt and teach your kids when you know what you will make in the next couple of years. the ...

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