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>> yeah, right now. but i don't just do it just to do it, you know? if i don't like what's going on of course i'm going to do it. >> that's understandable. but i'm just asking you for training purposes for this new officer would you be willing to show us how you do it? >> no. >> no? >> shiverdecker refused to comply. but he did have some advice for the rookie officer. >> straight up. i mean, we're not your buddy. we're not your [ mute ] friend. we're here to do our time. you're here to do your job, you know? if i feel like i'm in a bad situation and i got to go through you to save my own ass, ...

The many trayvon martin t-shirts and people saying i am trayvon martin and the president last spring said if he had a son it would look like trayvon martin. that resonates with this crowd today but it offends many many other americans and the president has to strike that balance. one other aside quickly, a lot of gospel music you can hear in the background. that was something that was absent in 1963, when most of the music was provided by white folk singers, people like jo ann bye's and others who expressed concern for singing. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. >> joining us to reflect on the past...

>> jesse jackson spoke up on this the president and white house have not addressed this. i find the whole spectacle depression. i had feeling during the trayvon martin as well. there are tragic local murders that take place. media are interest only when they can be cast in some kind after racial way. a lot of people felt the trayvon martin story got too much attention, now, we see a backlash from the other side saying, well there needs to be more about black on white crime even though we're not exclusively alleged black assailants. i do fear, jon, it is a little bit too much agenda-driven comm...

The shelter. >> the wind was so hard it cracked the shelter? >> yeah, like inside. like where we were. >> most importantly, how you are doing right now? how are you coping with this? >> we were shaken up. we're going to go to a shelter. i need to make sure my other one is okay. >> you don't know where your son it? >> south moore heights. >> how old is your son? >> 17. my 12-year-old is okay though. they just got him. so i'm good. >> her 4-year-old goes to plaza towers. we were over there searching for her for how long -- an hour. we got her. >> yeah, she is safe. but there are still kids trapp...

Back to the dark ages. so i hope that this is not cause more of a racial division, but i think it will. >> how could it not? and where is eric holder? you are the liberal. where is eric holder? we are allowed to have bounties on people's heads now and you don't get arrested? >> first of all, you have to investigate. second of all, there should be no violence. we are innocent until proven guilty. >> they are calling wanted, dead or alive. bounty. >> i agree. i agree something should be done. >> why hasn't it been done? where is eric holder? eric holder said he's going to have a civil rights inv...