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Fighting in the school yard, let them fight it out when you're talking about ethnic cleansing and having the enemy adversaries of this country get a real foothold in the middle east is absurd by anybody's standards. and i think that anybody that even acts like you can't even joke about this. i mean, we all sometimes do sound bytes. there is no sound byte. the seriousness of this i think really is appalling. >> and you talk about the impulsivity of this president, the lack of strategy as we talked about as it relates to ukraine, the defense there as it relates to syria here. you heard the presi...

Getting the judge judy reference. as it relates to mick mulvaney, what is his exposure at the end of the day based on what we've heard from him and what we know of him from what's been taking place in terms of testimony? >> it's important to remember that it's only the president who's immune from prosecution under the memo that's been written by the office of legal counsel at doj. so anyone else who's part of a conspiracy or other sort of criminal engagement is theoretically at risk of a criminal prosecution. it seems unlikely that we'll see that from bill barr's justice department. but there ...

We have seen that other promises made like building of the border wall with mexico is something he doesn't have unilateral power to simply get done on his own. we would argue some of that is being built now. he doesn't have direct and complete control over the economy and the economy has had rough spots. as commander in chief he has his word alone to bring u.s. forces out. it seems he is trying to deliver on one of those promises even with the inherent dangers that may come with it. katie. >> let me play one more sound byte. this is donald trump talking about the kurds in the oval office next ...

That connection we were trying to establish with him at the top of the hour. pj, let me come to you and talk about this. we can almost go point by point from some of the president's justifications for what he did and perhaps the one that stands out the most was the president saying he wanted to end endless wars in the middle east. we played that sound byte saying we don't need to have u.s. troops guarding the turkey/syria border for the next 50 years. ironically this administration announced on friday it was sending about 3 more troops to saudi arabia, along with fighter jets and missile defen...

So disciplined, because all it takes is just a couple of data points. people who go too far, say something extreme and that becomes the youtube moment, that becomes the soundbyte, and this feats into this -- and it's beyond an echo chamber at this point. it really is an alternative reality silo where over the next several months it will be a completely different story, the characters will be different, and this is the reality that we live in, and no matter what comes out about donald trump, there will be people who will believe that narrative. >> what i'm trying to figure out is who feeds who ...