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>> insurance. >> why don't we dathat. >> we do. we have a mandate. you don't have a choice. you have to be signed up on insurance. if you have the gump spending a quarter of what they're spending right now, offering a government-alternative insurance program, you're going to drive the prices down. >> you're saying people don't have to -- i see. >> that's not what democrats should have done. it's obvious they're fought going to do that. what they're doing now is running from president obama because of all the headlines and sound clips we played. listen to claire mccaskill who is a supporter of ...

>> insurance. >> why don't we dathat. >> we do. we have a mandate. you don't have a choice. you have to be signed up on insurance. if you have the gump spending a quarter of what they're spending right now, offering a government-alternative insurance program, you're going to drive the prices down. >> you're saying people don't have to -- i see. >> that's not what democrats should have done. it's obvious they're fought going to do that. what they're doing now is running from president obama because of all the headlines and sound clips we played. listen to claire mccaskill who is a supporter of ...

President on immigration will be with that same goal in mind. >> so yet again we have speaker boehner speaking of the possibility of something, but then members of his own party using words like it's crazy, the president's trying to destroy the party. where's the optimism? >> well, listen, i still share speaker boehner's optimism, but in those two sound clips -- >> why, exactly? >> because as the president mentioned in his clip, there's so much in support of it. the religious community, the faith community, business, labor. all of these people are on board this time who were not last time. but...

Republicans do we moderate or modernize? i would argue they probably need to do both. i don't think that dick cheney is the man to do either of those, but listen republicans, respect him. they want to hear from him. i think they should at least open up their tent and start to hear from some younger people that don't look exactly like them. >> last question for stanford. among republicans, stanford, is there someone that you respect and admire and wish would really speak at howard? >> that's a great question. i think yesterday was great to start a dialogue. i would love to have a lot more repub...

>> how many of them know what tribe they are from? we are black. we are americans. we happen to be black. that's it -- >> wayne? go ahead. you're up. >> i think that the biggest problem they have been going after dr. occurson because he's actually providing solutions as an african-american. the one thing i heard him talk about the health care plan, saving from the time of birth -- none of our elected officials have brought up any of these kind of solutions. i think that's what strikes the most fear in the liberal minds. not only is he intelligent. he doesn't yell and scream. he uses his brain....