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The heat shield, the parachutes do you see the possibility of moving up that timeline? >> i wish so, but this was actually a budget decision made eight years ago to use the avionics in artemis i and take them out and put them in artemis ii and they have to go through reconfiguration and recertifying and that takes time. now, we're going to try to speed that up so that it's in earlier 2024, maybe a year and a half, a year and three quarters instead of two years. >> gotcha. >> but it will be four astronauts, they will go around the moon, check out all the life support systems and then a year lat...

Not just to go to the moon, we're going to learn, to live, to work, to invent, to create in order to send humans on out into the cosmos, the next destination being mars. that cost $4 billion will come down over time because that's development cost in there. as you increase the flights over time, that per-unit cost will come down. >> i suppose the question is not, then, whether any program is worthwhile, but whether there are better alternatives, less costly alternatives, given the advances in the cost of private programs like spacex. >> well, you could say that robotically, for example, we are...

They're making progress and not to mention competition from china? do you have to take that into consideration with the added competition now? >> the companies are a partner. this is a public/private partnership. we are going in 2025 to orbit with the orion spacecraft and transfer the crew into a spacex lander. and they will go and the first woman and the next man will step on the moon. and stay there for a couple of days. you ask another question about china. that's interesting because china is really good. you know, they're only the second nation to successfully

Put in is snoopy and his spacesuit and you will see snoopy floating along with the mannequins as we head to the moon. >> that's going to be a lot of fun, fun for kids to watch as well. is the deadline still for nasa for returning american astronauts back to the moon? are you still going to be able to achieve doing that by 2025, do you think? >> yes, in two years we will go back to the moon with humans, it will be a crew of four, they will orbit the moon and come home, check out all the systems and then a year later, late 2025 we go back with a crew of four. they go into lunar polar orbit and t...