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And a medicare recipient and that's the reason. you can't get medicare and obama care at the same time. so that could speak to some of the continued confusion -- >> she seems -- >> hhs doesn't -- >> exactly. is confused. the view from the left and the right. speaker gingrich, in a tweet today you said and i quote sebelius' dishonesty and testimony this morning exceeding anything president nixon was accused of. the president cannot tell the truth and survive. are you really saying -- are you comparing what he said to what richard nixon did, lying and covering up conspiracy? >> in terms of bei...

One, i think speaker gingrich, who really had control of this caucus, led this revolution, was in a very different position than speaker boehner is where he's having to respond to the majority of the republicans in the house. so that's very, very different. think secondly, the world economy is so much more interconnected now. we saw that starting in the clinton years. but it's accelerated with all the technology and so forth. so the consequences are much more potentially serious and dire. three, you did not have the affordable health care act or the obama care. you did not have that done in 19...

Don't know how much '95 is a model for now. >> certainly you have leadership then with the members kind of following gingrich and his leadership. this is the reverse of that. it's like they are in a stampede that is hard to control and boehner doesn't seem to be able to get in front of them to kind of slow them down. quite frankly they keep moving the ball, stop obama care, kill obama care, delay obama care. now we want medicare cuts, we want social security cuts. they can't even settle on what they are asking for and that's perhaps why that congressman last week was so confused as opposed ont...

Despise, those parts of the government are hit really, really hard. those are shut down. the political incentives here are republicans have less incentive to end a shutdown than everybody else, perhaps the rest of the country. >> steve, the sequester means 57,000 fewer children are on head start, 140,000 low in come families could lose housing assistance. to david's point, has there not been a forceful enough argument from the left as to why these programs are important. >> in my view that's right. it goes beyond social support. we have investments in science that are critical, various clinica...

200 democrats signed a letter that said just put a vote on a clean continuing resolution on the floor. you've noted and i think progress has noted there's 22 members of the republican caucus that said they would vote for that with an up or down vote. we can get out of it if he'd show a little leadership. people say he's worried about his job. you know, that's what he gets paid the big bucks for. he owes it to the country to find a way through the mess. he's got to take the gun off the heads of the american people and get past these self-created crisis and get to talking about what a final budg...