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Bills for no matter what it is, there is a tax attached to that all right? and just moving around here in the new york area, we have to pay tolls to come in and out of city. we're not only paying 40% to the federal government in income tax and then more to the state then everything we do is taxed. >> what if you smoke. >> if you smoke you deserve it. >> 58 bucks. >> i would make 150 bucks if it were me. >> you would. >> i would drive everyone out. and then i'm paying for the guys' elm if emphysema for 30 years. i don't want to do that i understand that kind of thing. i don't understand water a...

Opportunities. but then they give special breaks to certain companies. all benefits? no. all don't benefit. the privileged benefit. like members of congress when it came to obamacare. >> is there any other large employer who gets the same treatment? >> the congressional provision only applies to congress. >> unions complain. >> we'll be damned if we're going to lose our health insurance because of unintended consequences! >> so unions got a special break. >> so you complain, you got a special break. hey, john stossel. >> not everybody who complained. if you complain and you give money to the p...

Tip and said i need your help on the debt ceiling. and tip said, fine, just write a letter to each of the democratic members saying, thank you for that. asking them to do it so it won't be used against them in the next election. that's how you put up the truce flag. that's how you move forward. if you don't try to score points on every single issue. and reagan was grown-up enough, at least with the help of people like stockman and baker, to say, you know what, we're not going to win on this debt ceiling. let's not lose. a and. >> and you also write to the same point on tax reform, they wanted ...

Refinance? how do you get the congress to let bankruptcy judges reduce people's mortgages in the bankruptcy process given, again, the resistance of investors and other people sayingç why shoul they get a special break? so it is a tough, tough problem, and, you know, in reality the obama administration itself has only marginally a different position because it, too, doesn't have trillions of dollars lying around to solve it. >> if it's not likely -- to your point, if it's too complex and hard to solve and not politically popular to solve in a primary, in a general election we're talking about...

It will erode a lot of the political support for it. >> how much of our financial issues, difficulties right now are tied up in the fact that, according to some people, that our tax system, our tax code is so antiquated that it hasn't been looked at, ingested in terms of the 2020s? >> it's a big part of it. you have to clean out the attic every once in a while. we've had a couple of decades pfr we've had major tax reform. every year you have people coming to washington, going on special break. it's full of them now. you could get rid of a lot of tax expenditures and subsidies and credited and ...