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We've got to close the loopholes and end the special breaks so small businesses have a level playing field and a fair chance to succeed. if a business takes its profits to the cayman islands ships its jobs overseas, or finds a loop hope hole to avoid paying its fair share of taxes then that business now has a leg up over every small business and start up that can't take advantage of those loopholes. sometimes the big can get bigger, not because they are better, but because they can work the system better. that is bad for every small business in america. >> that makes a lot of sense, mika. i gu...

Political economy is so irdeemably corrupt that it will simply produce more loopholes, more special breaks, who deals and even if we pass the buffett rule that 10 years from now, 20 years from now we would view it as we view this alternative alternative tax as this meddlesome thing we have to deal with every year. >> it depends on whether we want to live in a democracy or not. that's all it boils down to. >> i don't think it's redeemable under the current campaign finance rules and under the current sort of norms we have in our country. where, you hear all of these lawyers saying if we enact t...

By 20 percent. it will go from 35 percent to 28 percent and i am going to do these things without busting the budget. i do that by putting limits on exemptions and deductions and special breaks and loopholes so we end up with a plan combined with growth and eliminations -- or limiting those deductions keeping us to add on to the debt. >> on your broader economic message did you think you had to delineate it down to 59 points or 57 points? didn't the message get lost there? that is what i want to hear from you. what is your message about growing the economy? how are we going to concrete do it? ...

By 20 percent. it will go from 35 percent to 28 percent and i am going to do these things without busting the budget. i do that by putting limits on exemptions and deductions and special breaks and loopholes so we end up with a plan combined with growth and eliminations -- or limiting those deductions keeping us to add on to the debt. >> on your broader economic message did you think you had to delineate it down to 59 points or 57 points? didn't the message get lost there? that is what i want to hear from you. what is your message about growing the economy? how are we going to concrete do it? ...

By 20 percent. it will go from 35 percent to 28 percent and i am going to do these things without busting the budget. i do that by putting limits on exemptions and deductions and special breaks and loopholes so we end up with a plan combined with growth and eliminations -- or limiting those deductions keeping us to add on to the debt. >> on your broader economic message did you think you had to delineate it down to 59 points or 57 points? didn't the message get lost there? that is what i want to hear from you. what is your message about growing the economy? how are we going to concrete do it? ...