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Cooperation and plea agreement, because the charges here are so straight forward -- failure to file tax returns, failure to file the foreign bank account reports, bank fraud -- that there was no real defense for manafort, especially with gates' testimony. but lo and behold, manafort is holding firm, he's going to go to trial. but as we just mentioned a moment ago, if he's convicted, then he may think about whether or not it's better to work out a cooperation agreement now than face a second trial in d.c. and, perhaps, spend the rest of his life in prison. >> that's awfully expensive. speculati...

We can do these things in parallel. you see the president and the republicans in congress are both for significant reductions in our long-term deficit problem. they're relatively close on the numbers. we just have different views of what the focus should be and that that is really a parallel but separate track than the debt ceiling negotiations. and you saw people on both parties agreeing to that, alan greenspan and others. >> i want to go to the issue of gas prices. they continue to go up. we're not yet in the summer driving season. we're still in april. and yet there's some signs that if we'...