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So that was a whole different deal. how do you see it, mary katharine? >> here is a couple things, as you mentioned, bill, it's about spreading propaganda. not just an issue that effects the lbgt community. it's a speech issue for many russian people and where it might go from there. it's a broader issue in that sense. there is a couple concrete things barack obama could do. is he big on symbolism when it comes to diplomacy and not so much on taking these concrete actions but i think could make a difference. in this case the act 2012 by the congress bipartisan the one that barack obama says ne...

>> they seemed to be questioning whether they are going to live with this ruling that they made in 1983. if they don't li with this ruling in 1983, we could literally be at the point wherthe small towns cannot open up -- >> -- the supreme court of the united states of america might ban an elective prayer? >> yes. that is possible. i don't think they will, based on how they did it because they seemed to, after wrestling through it and thinking what are the alternatives and thinking how could we land this, they seemed to come back we should probably leave it intact because what a mess if we get ...

Erroneous? >> they seemed to be questioning whether they are going to live with this ruling that they made in 1983. if they don't li with this ruling in 1983, we could literally be at the point where the small towns cannot open up -- >> -- the supreme court of the united states of america might ban an elective prayer? >> yes. that is possible. i don't think they will, based on how they did it because they seemed to, after wrestling through it and thinking what are the alternatives and thinking how could we land this, they seemed to come back we should probably leave it intact because what a me...

Rights issue or endorsement of hostility toward homosexuality or anything like that but really a speech issue. you ought to be able -- aren't you guaranteed the right to say what you think without being penalized in this country? >> it is. last time i checked we were. this whole thing has been botched from the beginning. the mayor framed this so it would be an argument. not with him, against him type of approach. i think there's a simple solution to all of this. first of all, i think the mayor and some of the city councilmen owe and apology public to councilman chan. she's a good lady. and to ...

>> be clear about this. it was a lot better to record an album and make a lot of money from it than it is to tour 200 nights a year. >> how much money do you make from the album? it's better for the album industry and recording interest. >> there are certain kinds of artists that tour a lot and fill stadiums and others that do not. >> that is the model. business model has changed partly because of piracy and partly because of technology. i think the crucial point here is the strength of the organizing on it was for the people who were trying to kill sopa to make it a speech issue. don't censor...