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Lift the debt ceiling and this makes it difficult, because there will be wrangling about what the conditions will be. if you listen carefully to kent conrad, he said i won't support a long-term increase in our paper, the "washington post" this morning he said that meant anything less than one year. well, one year is about as long as a lot of debt ceiling extensions that have been over time. so i think each one of the democrats has his own little definition of what the conditions have to be. >> bret: got you. steve? >> the bottom line, i think chuck is right. the bottom line is there are going ...

What we're seeing along the paul ryan budget plan. in the republican leadership they're pushing something like the corker-claire mccaskill spending cap plan. and then you've got jim demint and mike lee and others pushing a strong balanced budget amendment with spending caps and also super majority to raise taxes. >> bret: what about that prospect. the balanced budget amendment? if you have ten, roughly ten democrats who are in the game here, you will reach the number needed 67 votes. >> for that part of it. the balance -- the problem with the balanced budget amendment -- i'm not as opposed to ...

State endorsing a republican plan for a federal spending cap. mark udall says as catastrophic as it would be to fail to raise the debt ceiling, it would be even more irresponsible to not take this opportunity to own up to our unsustainable pending path. treasury secretary geithner says washing the polls off of this is playing with fire. >> the idea that the united states would take the risk, people start to believe we won't pay our bills is a ridiculous proposition. >> sir responsible -- irresponsible, unacceptable risk for us to take. >> reporter: officials here doubt there will be agreement ...

It depends if the creature can be built. i don't know if it can. >> people feel it's difficult right now given the static to say i'm interested in common ground. the way you do it, the hope had been the debt commission. obama screws up that. so now the thing is let's go with the bang of six. gang of six will say neither republican people there, they have going to say yes, this is where we can make a deal and this is the great hope. i understand what you mean there are a lot of deals out there, but this is the big ticket. >> chris: in 15 seconds. >> it can't happen. because any plan would have ...

Cause, to find common ground. it depends if the creature can be built. i don't know if it can. >> people feel it's difficult right now given the static to say i'm interested in common ground. the way you do it, the hope had been the debt commission. obama screws up that. so now the thing is let's go with the bang of six. gang of six will say neither republican people there, they have going to say yes, this is where we can make a deal and this is the great hope. i understand what you mean there are a lot of deals out there, but this is the big ticket. >> chris: in 15 seconds. >> it can't happen...