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He's kind of "outnumbered." [laughter] >> jillian: just a little bit. >> lisa: i don't think he's ever "outnumbered"! >> ari: always. >> kennedy: he smart enough to do that jiu-jitsu that you love so much. we will get right to it. republican senators facing a politically tough vote on a $2 trillion spending deal. you are that right. it raises the debt ceiling and the government shutdown in the fall, but it has conservative senators torn between supporting the president and there are real concerns about increasing spending caps. senator rand paul warning that the plan will balloon the national ...

That has been built over the last two and a half years having dinner with he, myself, and trey gowdy are probably once a week for several weeks -- for several months. >> bret: the last one, are you going to vote for the spending caps, debt ceiling legislation even though there are real concerns from people like you who expressed problems with the rising deficits and national debt? >> i think the president and the negotiators have put together the best package that they can imagine. the part that gives me pause is not only that $320 billion of increased, but the fact that we are busting the cap...

Buildup. >> correct. paul: what is this going to do going forward to the republican credibility on spending and deficits? >> tremendous a amount of damage. the president is saying elect me, reelect me, and i'll take care of this spending problem. paul: there's leaking at the white house that the cuts are coming after the election. >> they're playing the public for fools. i think it's an argument for the sequester, otherwise they have no discipline. paul: when you say sequester, you mean the automatic spending hammer that comes down if they would exceed certain limits. you know what they did as...

Buildup. >> correct. paul: what is this going to do going forward to the republican credibility on spending and deficits? >> tremendous a amount of damage. the president is saying elect me, reelect me, and i'll take care of this spending problem. paul: there's leaking at the white house that the cuts are coming after the election. >> they're playing the public for fools. i think it's an argument for the sequester, otherwise they have no discipline. paul: when you say sequester, you mean the automatic spending hammer that comes down if they would exceed certain limits. you know what they did as...

$2.7 trillion deal which also eliminates spending caps that were established in the 2011 sequester providing for about an additional $320 billion over two years about the caps. house speaker nancy pelosi said at dear colleague let her to her caucus urging her to approve the deal and while conservatives are railing against the spending, in the senate, mitch mcconnell said republicans had to take the deal in order to provide adequate funding for the military. >> the nature of divided government means that certainly isn't the agreement that republicans would have written all by themselves. for ex...